Answer for: What do you think of PETA?
#3 No respect at all for these terrorists
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The problem is that they don't want us to have pets at all... they want the animal to have equal (or superior) rights. "Pet" is a slave term for all intents and purposes.
For instance, if your dog poops on the sofa, it is *immoral* to scold or even try to teach the dog to poop elsewhere, because it is contrary to the dog's nature to be 'trained' or 'Brainwashed' to poop in the yard.
Also, to my knowledge, they DO NOT believe in euthanizing animals...EVER. They would prefer to euthanize the owners...
Also, spaying and neutering is also a violation of the animal's rights because they had no choice in the matter.
BTW, my father writes a hunting and fishing column and gets regular hate mail from PETA. Some of it is pretty nasty and vulgar, accusing him of all sorts of malicious behavior.
But my biggest problem with PETA (or any extriemest group - left or right) is that they don't want you to think, to exercise that fundamental human right of CHOICE: if you don't agree with them, you are IMMORAL. if you've ever owned a baseball, you are IMMORAL (That's from the PETA Website, btw).
As for us... My wife works at a Vet's clinic. All of our animals are rescue animals. All of them get *fixed* at 6 months. NONE of them get de-clawed. They are loved and cared for. They are a part of our family and we are a part of their pack.
And PETA can kiss my ass.
I've always wondered how many animals die very cruel deaths when domesticated animals are suddenly released into the wild during a *liberation*, to be eaten or to die of starvation.
Besides, as Denis Leary puts it: "Broccoli tastes like broccolli. But, meat tasted like murder and murder tastes pretty god-damn good!"
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"For instance, if your dog poops on the sofa, it is *immoral* to scold or even try to teach the dog to poop elsewhere, because it is contrary to the dog's nature to be 'trained' or 'Brainwashed' to poop in the yard."
Oh really? And I don't suppose you have any sort of citation for this, now do you?
"Also, to my knowledge, they DO NOT believe in euthanizing animals...EVER."
Where in the WORLD do you get these "facts"? In their letter to petrescue online (http://www.petrescue...petaeu2.htm):
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PETA opts to euthanize extremely sick or feral animals immediately, rather than subject them to the trauma of further transport and caging that will only, ultimately, end in death. We give them love and attention, food and soothing voices, and yes, a gentle death in our arms.
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"Also, [according to PETA] spaying and neutering is also a violation of the animal's rights because they had no choice in the matter."
Seriously, who is feeding you full of this misinformation? - Not only is it misguided, as a matter of fact, it seems to completely contradict all the literature on their webiste, including this PDF, "Spaying Is Cheap, Saving A Life Is Priceless":
http://www.petaliter...number=WEL102
OR the fact that they founded SNIP, the mobile spay and neuter lab:
http://www.fixcats.com/about_snipSponsor.asp
"if you've ever owned a baseball, you are IMMORAL (That's from the PETA Website, btw)."
Ok, now you're just making shit up. The only reference on their website to baseball is about a campaign they are starting to encourage ballparks to carry vegetarian food... Scandalous! - Seriously, it's one thing to disagree, it's wholly another to spread misinformation and lies without some sort of supporting evidence.
What he said ^
PS - Please continue to use the word "terrorist" to describe anything that you may disagree with. I love that fact that the word is slowly being devalued by willy-nilly, sensationalist uses that this that HOPEFULLY, someday, or leaders will no longer be able to use it as an excuse to take away our civil liberties.
Bless you and your good works.
Holotone, my friend... let me try to address some of the points that you bring up... I'll start with use of the word "Terrorist".
First, to concede a point: you are right that the word "Terrorist' is grossly (and usually incorrectly) overused, and any term used as such looses its meaning. Look at the use of swearing (whether profanity, obscenity, or the use of a certain âNâ-word in much of the popular music of today), what was unthinkable 20 years ago is just pop music lyrics today. I define the word 'Terroristâ to mean someone who uses violence to push a political agenda, usually against an innocent group of people. I do not call anyone who disagrees with me a terrorist... I call them friends. I believe that part of the problem with this country (and the world as a whole) is that we no longer allow each other to have differing opinions. I am , by trade, training, and temperament, a problem solver. I cannot do that in a room with eight or ten people who agree with everything I think... we need that diversity of thought in order to do anything great. However, with the current media frenzy, this is being suppressed. And that is a crime.
To concede a second point: the stance of PETA regarding spaying and neutering. This is the stance of one of my best friends (she's a hardcore lesbian feminist vegan) and not the official stance of PETA. It's one of the problems that PETA faces... reconciling it's public position with the beliefs of some of it's more rabid supporters. Rush Limbaugh has the same problem. So for that, thank you for the education, and I hope other people avail themselves of the links that you provided to educate themselves (the REAL solution to most of our problems!).
Now to the heart of the matter: the baseball.
I'm searching for the original quiz that I took several years ago, but it had to do with judging whether you were a moral person or not by the type of gift you give for Christmas. If you give a baseball, you are immoral (because baseballs are made out of animal skins). If you give a football, soccer ball, or cricket ball, you are immoral (because they are also made out of animal skins). Tennis racket or baseball bat? These are made from wood, which de-forest the planet and reduce animal habitat and that leads to Globbal Warming (not to mention that tennis rackets may contain cat gut).
I'm still searching for the original quiz, but here should be enough to make my point:
http://www.peta.org/feat/grrr900/humane.html
Quite from you: âOk, now you're just making shit up. The only reference on their website to baseball is about a campaign they are starting to encourage ballparks to carry vegetarian food... Scandalous! - Seriously, it's one thing to disagree, it's wholly another to spread misinformation and lies without some sort of supporting evidence.â
Here's your evidence: http://www.peta.org/...0/sport.html. PETA has gone way beyond encouraging vegan Ball Park Franks. This article tells people to âContact your local sports leagues, schools, colleges and professional teams and ask them to use only nonleather equipmentâ, :Purchase only nonleather sports equipment from stores and ask them not to stock leather items â, :Write to the commissioner of baseball and ask him to change the rules to allow nonleather balls to be used â, also the commissioner of football and the Presidents of Rawlings and Spalding sporting goods as well. That's a bit past the food issue, which is not even mentioned in this article.
Here's another:http://www.cowsarecool.com/feature-sp
ort.asp
Now who's making up shit?
BTW, did you know that PETA has links to encourage activism for children as young as eight years old? And guess what today's question happened to be? âYou can find nonleather versions of which of the following pieces of athletic equipment? Ice skates, Soccer balls, Footballs, or All of the above?â This was on the PETAKids website.
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The problem with the PETA website is that it is the public face of the organization, the shiny-happy-people version. If you want to know about the real people behind the organization, the violent extremists, try these links: http://www.petakills...m?article=134 or http://www.petakills...sAnimals.cfm. Or how about money, arson, and assault? http://www.activistc...w.cfm/oid/21. Don't trust these sites? How about what the Washington Times had to say on the subject: http://washingtontim...255-8184r.htm What do you expect from an organization that lists wife beaters (Dennis Rodman and Tommy Lee: http://www.animalrig...000337.html), Porn Stars (Pam Anderson, Gina Lee Nolan, etc) and arsonists as supporters?
So please, educate yourself further on this organization. It is truly frightening.
BTW, before anyone starts chiming in on my obvious right-wing agenda, I am not that. I believe that the right bible-thumping conservatives are killing this country just as much as the tree-hugging left. I have a theory that I call the 80/80 theory: about 80 percent of us agree with about 80 percent of the issues out there: it's the 10 percent on either end who are screwing things up. I'm sure that even my new friend Holtone and I have far more in common than not.
But most of all, we are all entitled to our opinions. Let's respect each others.
-BigDogRMF
PS: contrary opinions welcomed. Grab a beer and let's solve the world's problems. And I'll post that quiz as soon as I find it.
Fair enough - Thanks for your reasoned, thoughtful response... We need more Grupies like you!
I wasn't aware that their sports campaign extended that far - However, I don't think that it is absurd for an organization that is working for moral change in the world to preach that their morality is more correct than those who disagree - I mean, it IS what they are there to do, right? You HAVE heard of religion, haven't you?
Granted, I'm not a fan of PETA, but proabably for much different reasons than you. I believe that the mission and ideals are noble, but their tactic of relying on contreversy to generate press for their cause is beyond me. I, for one, believe that there is such a thing as bad press, and they are living proof.
As a side note, I think it's great to encourage "activism" in youth as young as 8, and even younger. What's wrong with getting children started early in affecting positive change in the world? Sure, you can argue whether THIS instance in particular is positive, but there is no fault in raising a child to care enough to take steps toward improving the world in which they live.