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Science for science's sake

 

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MDAdams Member (Level 6): 6,259 points   1 year ago

Got my vote.

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bansaisequoia Member (Level 6): 5,781 points   1 year ago

Saying "we must develop a cold fusion reactor" without confidence that the concept is valid, is like saying "we must develop a matter transmitter." Nice wish to have, but no proof of concept.


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Skrrrriti Member (Level 6): 22,407 points   1 year ago

I take it you're not in science, as this comment displays a lack of understanding of the granting process via government agencies.

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MDAdams Member (Level 6): 6,259 points   1 year ago

bansai, let me elaborate. When government funded the Manhattan Project as a crash program, there was decent scientific theory and evidence that a nuclear detonation could be developed. We were a long ways away from an *engineering* point of view, but the concept was convincing.

With cold fusion, there is sketchy evidence and even less theory that it will work. So while it was certainly worthwhile to investigate the phenomenon (observed by Fleischmann and Pons), the bottom line is that we aren't even convinced that it's created by nuclear fusion. We should understand it (and it's still being investigated), but we can't say we are going to have a crash program to develop cold fusion when the phenomenon hasn't even been demonstrated to be fusion. Show that it's fusion, then develop a theory or a model that predicts it can be produced in adequate energy density to produce useful electricity, then I'll be the first one on your bandwagon.

I happen to support nuclear power, and I think a viable means of implementing nuclear fusion as a power source could create great benefits for humanity, our environment, and be particularly beneficial to the neediest among us. Energy = productivity = wealth = lifespan & quality of life. I'm not a naysayer, but I do have an annoying habbit of pointing out logical inconsistencies in arguments / statements.

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bansaisequoia Member (Level 6): 5,781 points   1 year ago

Sorry, Skrrriti, I just copied and pasted the remark of someone who doesn't seem to think that a cold fusion reactor will be developed any time in the near future. This person seems to think that it's as far-fetched as a Star Trek transporter. You'll notice that below it says:

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bansaisequoia Member (Level 6): 5,781 points   1 year ago

Maybe it doesn't seem feasible, but I'll say this--Einstein wrote a letter to FDR in the late '30s saying he thought it was imperative that the the US develop an atomic bomb before Germany did. It could have been catastrophic had the Nazis developed this technology before the rest of the world did. I feel the same way now. With global population continually increasing, and global wealth increasing, enabling more people to have the means to have automobiles and other means of increasing global warming, it seems we must find an alternative, before something just as catastrophic can occur. I don't want to think it's true, but it seems just as imperative today as when Einstein wrote the letter to FDR. I hope the world can hang on.

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MDAdams Member (Level 6): 6,259 points   1 year ago

A great first step would be to have two crash programs, then follow up with a third: 1) Significantly improve battery technology (or "energy storage device"). 2) Develop 4th & 5th generation nuclear power plants to produce abundant electricity.

Then, 3) convert all possible fossil fuel burning systems to electric. Manufacturing, transportation, refining, mining, etc.

This is within our grasp *now*.

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