Answer for: If Bush Declares Marshall Law in 2008 and Suspends the Constitution: Will You Leave the US?
#2 At this point, I'm considering leaving regardless
I honestly fear for my family's safety and well-being if we stay.
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I've been planning for a while, now I'm finally done with the degree, I am ready to skip out, Belize, Dutch Antilles, I am sure they need a mycologist in Dominica
We're saving up.
Biding my time... on the off-chance that there will be an orderly transfer of power.
I think this answer is implying even if there is and orderly transfer of power, its still pretty sucky here compared to other countries
Yeah.. Even the best case scenario at this point is pretty much total shite.
I bet if Martial - it's "martial," by the way - Law was declared, GW would be all like Chazz Palminteri in A Bronx Tale.
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OK, I'm a quasi-paranoid person. I only just recently trashed my tattered copy of The Anarchist's Cookbook. But I'm not ready to be run out of my country by fear of ... what? The checks & balances have worked pretty well over the decades, even though the pendulum has swung from right to left and back again.
I'm not paranoid, but I'm so bored with the USA
I understand boredom. Just watch out for the hurricanes in the caribbean. Definately not boring. But it sure is warm in the winter (and spring, summer, and fall).
These DO seem to be the days of evil presidentes workin' for the clampdown.
@MDAdams:
"The checks & balances have worked pretty well over the decades, even though the pendulum has swung from right to left and back again."
You've broader perspective on this than I, so I'm interested to hear your take on all of this - From where I sit, the swing to the right we're gob in the middle of smacks in particular of radical statism, and I mean that as literally as it can be taken - Again, my entire worldview starts with the 80s, but I really feel like the extremity of the times we're living in is without historical precedent or counterpart...
@Holotone: I'm worried about the future in the USA, but perhaps for different reasons than you--which I'll get to in a moment. Regarding the statist evolution... reflecting back on what happened in the 60's & 70's, a lot of bad stuff happened. And there was a lot of fear & turmoil. Wars, assassinations, tanks rolling in the streets of US cities. Presidential resignation under threat of impeachment. Crushing economic recession and energy crisis. And much more. Certainly opportunities for a draconian shift toward government intrusion on the population (and some attempts were made). In the early and up to the late 70's, I was probably a lot closer to your present frame of mind. College age people then were both fighting mad and scared shitless. But as I watched the ebb and flow of politics, supreme court, general mood swings of the population, I gradually became more confident that things tend to balance out. That's not to say that we shouldn't scream loudly when shit happens. If we stop being vigilant, then we're at risk.
My primary fear now is that we will experience severe economic turmoil as the boomers retire and the population pyramid -- required in an *upright position* to support our economic system and entrenched entitlement programs -- becomes inverted. Ironically, this becomes a reverse population problem. Not enough young people to support the old ones. The tax base dwindles as the demands on revenues literally skyrockets. It will be a significant challenge.
Looking back on what allowed countries like Germany to become fascist/socialist, it wasn't simply the clever scheming of politicians. It was the desperation of populations suffering dramatic economic hardship, desperate for a solution, that caused them to support tyranny. And the US population, in large part, seems to be blundering along like sheep or lemmings, not sensing the cliff that lies before them.
There will be a critical period -- well after Bush is gone -- that either good or bad decisions will be made. If bad decisions are made, the risk of nasty changes in government behavior becomes very real. It isn't inevitable, but if it comes... well, unfortunately a number of other countries will be suffering similar problems (look at the demographics in Europe!). I'll have to determine the best solution if and when those problems manifest and see what options are in front of me. Getting out of dodge is certainly an option. But, I would bet the contents of my IRA that there will be no martial law in 2008. There must be a huge crisis, one which tangibly and negatively affects most of the population, before that could be successfully imposed.
Sorry to be so long winded... But you asked for my opinion.
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in b4, well, me
Excellent thread. A little food for though: The pendulum swings back and forth, but who's holding it?
Do you assume that you would be allowed to leave? The airports and ports might be shut. It might be a case of dodging the bullets as you attempted to cross into Mexico or Canada. If caught, you would be pulled back and "re-educated" until you were good, compliant consumers again. "Mallthink" would be the only acceptable state of mind to be in. You would work 12 hours a day, get eight hours government, drug induced sleep and another compulsory drug to wake you and then four hours of concentrated, serious shopping. In this way, you would never be inconvenienced by any sort of worrying tendency to think for yourselves again. Ultimately, you might even achieve the state of "Mallvarna" where you would simply sit in the mall 24/7, legs crossed, eyes looking up adoringly at the Big Mac sign.
All this is likely this year, so pack your bags now and run, run run for your lives!